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Accord du Louvre : ESL et Vitality nous répondent

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ESL recently made the Louvre Agreement official, which is a huge deal for the CS:GO ecosystem. For the first time, a tournament organiser has entered into a long-term pact with several teams to ensure the economic functioning of the scene as a whole. The teams concerned are guaranteed to participate in a regular number of tournaments, while ESL guarantees the presence of the best teams at the majority of its events, notably the Pro League. And the revenues generated are shared by everyone involved.

To find out a little more about this system, its inception and how it will work, we were able to interview two people, one on each side of the deal. First, David Neichel, the French co-CEO of ESL. Then, Nicolas Maurer, CEO of Vitality, the only French organisation to have signed the Louvre Agreement.

 

David Neichel : "Teams weren't asked to pay for a slot"

When did the negotiations regarding the Louvre agreement and this new formula including certain teams start?

Discussions started back in october 2018. We've always had an open line of dialogue with the teams and the players. For example, it was within the WESA framework, where several teams were working with ESL, that the first ESL Pro League was born, 5 years ago.

Why did you feel the need for a change right now, after 10 seasons and 5 years of Pro League, and 8 years after CS:GO got out?

We already updated the Pro League format once in 2018. It's important for us to be innovators and to keep offering new formats. But, as everybody is aware, the chaotic schedule of our scene makes it hard for the teams, the players and the partners to have a more durable commitment together and to secure their financial stability.

That's what convinced the best teams in the world and ourselves at ESL to join forces and create a new framework in CS:GO, allowing long-term vision, revenue and profits sharing, and a global circuit in CS:GO with the ESL Pro Tour.

After stints at EA, Activision and the Syndicat des éditeurs des logiciels de loisir (SELL),
David Neigchel is now co-CEO at ESL.

What were the requirements to be part of the agreement? Do the teams have to pay a fee, or to compete in a certain amount of ESL events?

Contrary to closed francises, there is no entry fee.

Among the 24 teams, you have to distinguish the 13 teams who chose to be part of the agreement from the 11 others. The 13 teams are majority partners in the Louvre agreement. They will have a key-role in the evolution of the format, they will earn a share of the earnings and, naturally, have commited to a certain amount of tournaments.

But it remains an open system because the other 11 teams will be able to qualify, whether it's on the basis of their world rank or through the Mountain Dew League, which is the de facto amateur entrance gate in Pro League. For those 11 teams, there are no obligations to compete in any amount of ESL tournaments.

What are the guarantees that you gave to the teams in exchange for their participation to the agreement?

Mainly, we offered them a share of the revenues and profits. For more details, and in an effort to be transparent, we published part of the agreement online.

What would happen if a partner team keeps getting bad results and ends up several seasons at the bottom of the table? Could it be replaced in that case?

Partnered teams have committed to a renewable 3 years contract. I think they are going to do everyting in their power to remain competitive and keep their partner status, with the advantages that come with it.

However, if a team ends up thrice at the last place over four season, there is a procedure to exclude it from the agreement.


Pro League is at the heart of the new system

Your system looks a lot like franchising, do you think it is the safest way to go for TOs and teams in terms of finances? Is this format destined to become central in esport?

ESL Pro League is an open system and teams are not asked to pay for a slot. We believe in a collaborative approach that brings everyone's interests together: producing the best possible competition for fans, and working closely together between players, teams, organizers, partners and publishers. Approaches aimed at privatizing a competition for purely financial purposes or around a single actor in the chain are not the format of the future in my opinion.

At ESL, we believe in developping the whole ecosystem, from the amateur level to the top tier, from the local scene to the international circuit. Our goal is to make esport the biggest sport on the planet.

Have you had any contact with Valve, which last year objected to the leagues' exclusive contracts, for this project?

Valve has given its approval for the competition format provided for in the Louvre agreement. We regularly work closely with Valve and this exchange is essential for the development of the esport scene on CS:GO.

 

Nicolas Maurer : "Build CS:GO's most important league,
one that will be able to generate incomes for all stakeholders"

Did you have to choose between ESL and FLASHPOINT, another competing league that's currently gaining power? If so, why did you ultimately choose ESL?

We signed this agreement with ESL (the Louvre Agreement) after more than a year of negociations with all the stakeholders. Because we are one of the major teams on the scene, each organization wants us to participate in their tournaments. For us, the goal of such agreement has always been clear: build a long-term commitment over a fair contract, and take part in the best league. All these conditions were finally met with the new format of the ESL Pro League, with all the other top teams gathered around us.

Did you have to pay an "entrance fee" to be part of the project?

The final agreement did not include a buy-in, we chose another approach. Actually, we considered that our "entrance fee" would be the price we already pay to maintain our teams at the top of CS's world scene. This includes players' salaries, management, infrastructures, etc. Every organization that signed the Louvre Agreement were already investing a lot in their CS teams.


Nicolas Maurer, CEO of Vitality

What were the economic guarantees that came with this agreement?

Two different approaches: one is sharing the revenues and profits of the league, the other is an annual guaranteed minimum. This guaranteed minimum is a security and proof that ESL invests in the ESL Pro League in order to make it flourish. But our common goal is to go beyond that and build CS:GO's most important league, one that will be able to generate income for all stakeholders (players, organizations, ESL).

Did you get in touch with other organizations (Astralis, fnatic, Liquid, etc.) in order to defend your common rights and interests when facing ESL?

We are in constant contact with other top teams on every major game, including CS. Overall, our interests are the same: we wish for CS to keep developing and gathering more players and viewers over the long term. Apart from that, each team can have specific needs and approaches, but it's still in everyone's best interest to unite when negociating with ESL in order to find the best agreement.

For an organization such as Vitality, what are the advantages of this new format, compared to the old ecosystem without any agreement between teams and tournament organizers?

It's like night and day. We know what we engage in, we're surrounded by the best teams in the world and by a veteran organization that created legendary events such as Cologne & Katowice. Now it is our duty to gather and build the best future possible for CS.

On the contrary, are there any downsides to this new system? More pressure maybe?

It is written in black and white that we are engaging for years of heavy investment in order to remain at the top level. There's a kind of moral agreement between all teams: no one is here just to participate, we have to actively work to develop the league.


13 organizations are involved in this project alongside ESL

Did the players themselves have a say in whether or not they wanted to participate in the project, or in which league they wanted to join?

We often talk about these kinds of topics with our players, because their interests are our top priority as they are the main actors on the stage. I think that right now, everyone is perfectly aware that we need a new durable ecosystem, and that these kinds of fair initiatives will help us reach this goal.

Thanks to ESL and David Neichel, and Vitality and Nicolas Maurer for their answers.

Translation by MrHusse and Miles

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Je suis le seul à penser que Flashpoint va être le projet "bide" de l'année du coup ?

J'apprécie beaucoup ce format et surtout "Si toutefois une équipe finit trois fois dernière du classement sur quatre saisons, il existe une procédure d'exclusion de l'accord." Même si pour moi, trois saisons c'est déjà énorme.
flashpoint n'a jamais prétendu changer la donne cette année, ils visent le long terme.

Je ne connais aucune league qui a fait un massacre dès le début
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On pouvait avoir des doutes sur une possible ligue fermée, mais de ce qu'on en apprend, le format semble quand même un bon compromis : les tops se sécurisent un peu plus, mais c'est pas fermé ou réservé qu'aux gros portefeuilles.

C'est vrai que flashpoint a côté ça fait ligue fermé pour équipe de riches sans ambition avec pactole pour les organisateurs.
Ben, quand tu vois que les plus gros acteurs de la scène (niveau structure) ne s'y engagent pas, c'est que leur intérêts sont minimes.
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Les grosses structures ne s'y sont pas engagées surtout parce qu'ils étaient en train de négocier les accords du Louvre et qu'ils savaient qu'ils allaient appartenir à ce projet. Donc aucun intérêt pour eux de jouer sur les 2 tableaux, ils sont sur le dossier depuis 2 ans... Surtout que dans le cas présent, il y'aura surtout des grosses écuries.
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En vrai, personne a penser à poser la question d'où venait ce nom d'accord? Quelle motivation derrière ça ? C'est certes super stylé et ça fait classieux, mais c'est wtf un peu genre.
Si un revenu de base est assuré vont-ils tous se donner a fond ? 3-4 saisons de mauvais résultats ... ça assure les arrières des structures mais pas du spectacle.... Je suis mitigé, à la fois nécessaire pour la suite des événements pour rentabiliser l'argent investit sur les joueurs parfois désobligeant, voir instable et peut être trop sûr pour les écuries moyenne qui resteront moyen parce que ça va rapporté sans trop s’embêté avec les gros résultats !
Pour moi ça semble le format parfait à condition qu'ils soient plus claire sur les conditions d'exclusions et d'inclusion des équipes.
ESL et ses partenaires ont mis tous les ingrédients pour en faire LA compétition du jeu, au dessus des Majors, un peu à l'image de ce qu'a réalisé progressivement l'Euroleague pour le Basketball européen.

Pour être le plus transparent possible et ne pas cacher des conflits de "réseaux" entre ces structures historiques qui ne souhaitent pas voir arriver de nouveaux acteurs. Il faut un système de "monté-descente" ou plutot "d'entrée-sortie" claire.

Le fait de faire des changements tous les 3-4 saisons me semblent trop long. Je pencherais plus sur des cycles qui prendraient en compte le calendrier Major pour plus de cohérence sur le circuit et ne pas se privé de l'investissement de Valve sur la partie e-sport.

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